Comments on: Twanging the Plumbline http://www.sharpsand.net/2009/02/22/twanging-the-plumbline/ Joseph Duemer's blog about reading, writing, politics, birds, food, & weather Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:31:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: edward mycue http://www.sharpsand.net/2009/02/22/twanging-the-plumbline/comment-page-1/#comment-9035 edward mycue Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:16:59 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/?p=1244#comment-9035 joseph, today's blog at htpp://zyzzyvaspeaks.blogspot.com has this interesting bit abt geo moore's 3 vols HAIL AND FAREWELL memoir/novel(?) that in 1935 hemingway included in a list of mustreads to a minnesotan youth who'd hitched down to key west and i'll patch it in here: ZYZZYVASPEAKS in which the editor of ZYZZYVA, a journal of west coast writers & artists, describes the struggle day by day Tuesday, February 24, 2009 The Post-avant George Moore I knew a bit about George Moore—his portrait by Manet, that he worked with Yeats to revive the Irish language and to found a national theater—but I had never read him and did not suspect that he might be Post-avant. I came upon him last week while rummaging through By-Line: Ernest Hemingway. A young man from Minnesota had hitchhiked down to Key West in 1935 to ask such questions as, "Well, what books are necessary?" Hemingway replied with a list that included a book I'd never heard of: Moore's Hail and Farewell. I was the first to take the three volumes of this forgotten memoir/novel from the USF Library in 51 years; many of the pages, starting in Vol. II, were still uncut. (It was only fun to slash them apart for a while.) H&F is an endless Proustian dither, salted with an occasional gem. For example, I had associated the anthem "no ideas but in things" with William Carlos Williams, but here's Moore: Yeats said that the ancient writers wrote about things, and that the softness, the weakness, the effeminacy of modern literature could be attributed to ideas. "There are no ideas in ancient literature, only things...." Then there was the problem of Moore and Yeats writing a play together and the proper language to use (since Moore had no Irish). Yeats suggested Moore write in French: "Lady Gregory will translate your text into English. Taidgh O'Donoghue will translate the English text into Irish, and Lady Gregory will translate the Irish text back into English." Moore wasn't that hip, so he refused to play along, although he did offer (at least to us, his readers) a few pages of a script in a rather simplified French. posted by Howard Junker at 6:00 AM 0 comments links to this post anyway, i thought you and your poetrybuddybuds might know about this and be amused because i with my younger contemporaries --or many of them--never read such either. edward joseph, today’s blog at htpp://zyzzyvaspeaks.blogspot.com
has this interesting bit abt geo moore’s 3 vols HAIL AND FAREWELL memoir/novel(?) that in 1935 hemingway included in a list of mustreads to a minnesotan youth who’d hitched down to key west
and i’ll patch it in here:

ZYZZYVASPEAKS

in which the editor of ZYZZYVA, a journal of west coast writers & artists, describes the struggle day by day
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
The Post-avant George Moore
I knew a bit about George Moore—his portrait by Manet, that he worked with Yeats to revive the Irish language and to found a national theater—but I had never read him and did not suspect that he might be Post-avant.

I came upon him last week while rummaging through By-Line: Ernest Hemingway.

A young man from Minnesota had hitchhiked down to Key West in 1935 to ask such questions as, “Well, what books are necessary?”

Hemingway replied with a list that included a book I’d never heard of: Moore’s Hail and Farewell.

I was the first to take the three volumes of this forgotten memoir/novel from the USF Library in 51 years; many of the pages, starting in Vol. II, were still uncut. (It was only fun to slash them apart for a while.)

H&F is an endless Proustian dither, salted with an occasional gem.

For example, I had associated the anthem “no ideas but in things” with William Carlos Williams, but here’s Moore:

Yeats said that the ancient writers wrote about things, and that the softness, the weakness, the effeminacy of modern literature could be attributed to ideas. “There are no ideas in ancient literature, only things….”

Then there was the problem of Moore and Yeats writing a play together and the proper language to use (since Moore had no Irish). Yeats suggested Moore write in French:

“Lady Gregory will translate your text into English. Taidgh O’Donoghue will translate the English text into Irish, and Lady Gregory will translate the Irish text back into English.”

Moore wasn’t that hip, so he refused to play along, although he did offer (at least to us, his readers) a few pages of a script in a rather simplified French.

posted by Howard Junker at 6:00 AM 0 comments links to this post

anyway, i thought you and your poetrybuddybuds might know about this and be amused because i with my younger contemporaries –or many of them–never read such either.

edward

]]> By: jd http://www.sharpsand.net/2009/02/22/twanging-the-plumbline/comment-page-1/#comment-9025 jd Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:39:34 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/?p=1244#comment-9025 Thanks, Dick! I look forward to hearing your views. We'll go ahead and list you on the Plumbline page. (For those who don't know him, I'll just note that Dick had a lot more time before he retired!) Thanks, Dick! I look forward to hearing your views. We’ll go ahead and list you on the Plumbline page. (For those who don’t know him, I’ll just note that Dick had a lot more time before he retired!)

]]> By: Dick http://www.sharpsand.net/2009/02/22/twanging-the-plumbline/comment-page-1/#comment-9021 Dick Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:56:23 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/?p=1244#comment-9021 Running to stand still here, but I shall follow up my invitation to participate in this valuable and long-needed project just as soon as I can clear desk space. In the meantime, I enjoin all poets who read here to check out Plumbline immediately! Running to stand still here, but I shall follow up my invitation to participate in this valuable and long-needed project just as soon as I can clear desk space. In the meantime, I enjoin all poets who read here to check out Plumbline immediately!

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