It is remarkable, to say the least, that former Attorney John Ashcroft was shocked by the deliberations in the White House on how to torture specific suspects. "History will not look kindly . . ." The US has been ruled by criminals before, but not to my knowledge by an organized gang of war criminals & profiteers. John Ashcroft felt called upon to reprove their behavior. Later: Digby's discussion catches the awful, bitter vomit flavor these people produce.