Comments on: School of Quietude, Continued http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/ Joseph Duemer's blog about reading, writing, politics, birds, food, & weather Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:33:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Robert Peake http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3322 Robert Peake Thu, 03 May 2007 05:56:48 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3322 <strong>What Poetry Can Not Say...</strong> Pinsky's praise of difficult poetry last week is commendable in its way. He trots out a hodge podge of interesting verse that requires something back from the reader - more than what most celebrations of NaPoMo attempted. That said, he doesn't really... What Poetry Can Not Say…

Pinsky’s praise of difficult poetry last week is commendable in its way. He trots out a hodge podge of interesting verse that requires something back from the reader – more than what most celebrations of NaPoMo attempted. That said, he doesn’t really…

]]> By: Robert http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3078 Robert Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:43:43 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3078 "Poetry is not a decorative art." Amen. And hallelujah. “Poetry is not a decorative art.”

Amen.

And hallelujah.

]]> By: jd http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3052 jd Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:55:51 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3052 Jordan, you're probably right about Mlinko. And speaking of juxtaposition, I was just teaching Jack Spicer's "Song for Bird and Myself" (along with O'Hara's "The Day Lady Died") in my Literature of American Popular Music class today. It's true that Mlinko is closer to Spicer than to Andre Breton. Like Bird's solos, Spicer's poem swerves & jukes & drops through trapdoors, but there is a through-line. Jordan, you’re probably right about Mlinko. And speaking of juxtaposition, I was just teaching Jack Spicer’s “Song for Bird and Myself” (along with O’Hara’s “The Day Lady Died”) in my Literature of American Popular Music class today. It’s true that Mlinko is closer to Spicer than to Andre Breton. Like Bird’s solos, Spicer’s poem swerves & jukes & drops through trapdoors, but there is a through-line.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3038 Jordan Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:42:38 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3038 Surrealists don't own juxtaposition, or at least they have to share it with the rest of the modernists -- Moore, Eliot, and Loy seem much more apposite here, though I'd wager she'd recoil at the mention of Eliot. My gist: the surrealists' juxtaposition was much more arbitrary than Mlinko's, which usually eventually reveals an associative (emotive, art-historical, scientistic) logic behind its apparently random jumps. Surrealists don’t own juxtaposition, or at least they have to share it with the rest of the modernists — Moore, Eliot, and Loy seem much more apposite here, though I’d wager she’d recoil at the mention of Eliot.

My gist: the surrealists’ juxtaposition was much more arbitrary than Mlinko’s, which usually eventually reveals an associative (emotive, art-historical, scientistic) logic behind its apparently random jumps.

]]> By: jd http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3031 jd Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:40:49 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3031 Jordan, I'd argue that at least one of Mlinko's modes is a sort of wry urban surrealism in which juxtaposition is the dominant technique of poetic movement. I haven't read enough of Fried's work to have an opinion about it. Jordan, I’d argue that at least one of Mlinko’s modes is a sort of wry urban surrealism in which juxtaposition is the dominant technique of poetic movement. I haven’t read enough of Fried’s work to have an opinion about it.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3015 Jordan Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:38:00 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3015 I neither understand nor accept the characterizations of Daisy Fried as a quietist and Ange Mlinko as a surrealist. I neither understand nor accept the characterizations of Daisy Fried as a quietist and Ange Mlinko as a surrealist.

]]> By: jd http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3010 jd Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:12:33 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3010 Okay, Ron, I'll withdraw the canard. I don't read everything you write & have no doubt mis-characterized your critical stance. So how about a value-neutral term for the SoQ that's parallel to "post-avant." My beef, as I said, is more rhetorical than substantive. Okay, Ron, I’ll withdraw the canard. I don’t read everything you write & have no doubt mis-characterized your critical stance. So how about a value-neutral term for the SoQ that’s parallel to “post-avant.” My beef, as I said, is more rhetorical than substantive.

]]> By: Ron Silliman http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/comment-page-1/#comment-3003 Ron Silliman Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:52:15 +0000 http://www.sharpsand.net/2007/04/22/school-of-quietude/#comment-3003 Joseph, How many times do I have to say nice things about Jack Gilbert, Wendell Berry, Elizabeth Bishop, Hart Crane, Daisy Fried, Anne Finch, Bob Hass et al before I stop hearing that I never admit to value among the School of Quietude? That's a canard if ever there was one, Ron Joseph,

How many times do I have to say nice things about Jack Gilbert, Wendell Berry, Elizabeth Bishop, Hart Crane, Daisy Fried, Anne Finch, Bob Hass et al before I stop hearing that I never admit to value among the School of Quietude? That’s a canard if ever there was one,

Ron

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